Vinnie Colaiuta and Dave Weckl Snare Drums (Ebay)

[CLWarunki]

Just incase anyone is interested there are some interesting items below:

That Colaiuta snare looks dated... but I guess it is quite rare and that's why it's going for big money. I do not understand why anyone would give a snare brass lugs and chrome rims... *blaaaarrrgggh*

VINNIE SNARE

WECKL 1

WECKL 2

WECKL 3

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 01, 2004 05:07 PM: Message edited by: CLWarunki ]</font>

[Groovissimo]

You know, I find it funny, in todays world, that these signature instruments, not only drums, attract so many people !

I'll give you an example: I'll always remember, at a John Patitucci bass clinic, someone asked John if his Yamaha six-string "Patitucci" bass was the same as the ones sold in retail stores.

John then paused, and said that the model sold commercially was produced in hundreds with his name on it, but, the one he had, was modified to his specifications. His bass did not compare to the ones sold in stores.

I also remember seeing a Steve Gadd signature snare in a Drum shop, after seeing the one that Steve had played on. Not the same drum.

So, to me, unless you are a "groupie" of a well-known drummer, and will settle for an instrument that is a copy, you will never get the same instrument as his own personnal one.

My advice to someone who is looking for a snare or any other instrument, is to purchase one that feels good to you, because that's the one you will play on.

But, of course, if you manage to purchase a drum that was owned by a well-known drummer, then, you should put it in a glass case as a souvenir.

[Randy walker]

i would disagree and the reason is I have a few drums once belonging to my friend Carlos Vega, 1 of which i use on a regular basis,it was meant to be played.
As to the Gadd snare, the only thing i have seen him do different to what you can buy in the store is put a black wood hoop on top.
The Weckl snares are exactly what he plays with no mods that i am aware of.

[Groovissimo]

Randy,

I admit that there are exceptions. Yamaha is one company that sticks to their model specs. The proof is that when the Yamaha big guys do clinic tours, they will use the kit supplied by the Yamaha dealer in that town.

Without mentionning other brands, most of the signature models sold in stores are not always like the one that the endorser uses.

It also happens often, that an endorsed drummer will use another "luthier-style" drum when in the studio, and not the one he is seen with in ads !

But, Randy, I think you are right in saying that a good drum HAS to be played and is MADE to be played.

The point I wanted to make in my post above, is that we don't always have to look for a Signature model to get the best that will become your favorite.

It's like drumsticks. The signature models do two things: One is to attract young drummers to use what their idol is using, and the other, is that the Stick companies want to keep their endorser for a long time !

So, bottom line: you can get the same quality without having a signature on the instrument.

[Randy walker]

In terms of the studio and what is used by an artist, you go by what sounds good in that room you happen to be at the moment and if your 'sig' model does not cut it, you go a different drum, that goes for kic drums, toms, cymbals.
So if you see pix of your fav player using something 'different' that's the main reason.
I do aggree buying a sig drum just because a certain guy has his name on it is silly, the few i have in my personal collection are there because they sound great and NOT because of a particular drummer.
I did make my own mod to my Weckl 5x14 aluminum by putting a Stanbridge wood hoop on top........it sounds great with that hoop on it.

[CLWarunki]

I agree that the drummers signature snare may not be identical to the one the drummer is using, but I'm sure it will still sound good! However most of the time these items ARE infact signature series is because they are developed WITH the drummers who put their name on them. Such as most signature cymbals.

I posted this thread because I know there has been a lot of talk here at HOD about vinnie and weckl snares. I am not selling these, nor am I even bidding.

The thing is, you will NEVER get a sound JUST like your fave drummer, so it dosen't matter!

[Randy walker]

i disagree, see, if you know your instrument and understand how to tune drums, you can achieve 'any' sound.......perfect example would be Bermuda Schwartz of Weird Al's band, he uses a simple Impact fiberglass kit but is able to achieve exact drum sounds from records they parody.
So, it IS possible, you just have to have experience in doing so.

[DeSeipel]

I have a 12" custom snare "version" of the Weckl snare. It looks exactly like it and sounds great. I bought it from a guy named Patrick Doody from Chicago. He's a monster if you've never heard him. I don't have any clips, but the guy is really one of the great unknowns, no kidding.

Randy, have you seen the CS Lewis Jr. clip from www.bobanddavid.com? I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. go see it.

[Groovemeister]

I'm 101% with Randy.

I also own some drum stuff that has belonged to "famous" drummers. The black DW I have is one of the things I use the most. It'd be such a shame to waste them by putting them in a glass box! Plus, there are spirit in those drums that come alive every time I play them!!!

On the second note of signature products. The last time I saw Gerald Heyward we chatted about why he's bring out a signature stick. His words were, "Man this business is a hussle, you do what you can for the dollar!"

If you buy signature stuff because you want to look like/sound like/play like your chosen celeb drummer, you are, quite frankly, an idiot. If you buy it because you like the product, then so be it. The Weckl snare, for example, is a great and individual snare in it's own right (Aluminum, two strainers etc...). Don't think when you play it yours will sound like his, he has a whole video dedicated to how he tailors his drums through his digital mixer!!!

MP

[palmerlouie]

funny that topic came up...i just bought the weckl aluminium snare off ebay and collected it today. intrigued by the two strainer thing, plus i was on the look out for a metal drum.

i was not as impressed as i thought i'd be....or rather it wasnt radically different than my maple drum.

randy how do you tune yours out of interest? at the mo i have the bottom tighter than the top, but am thinking of trying having the bottom much looser and the top very tight....

but at the mo i love the two strainer thing....means it can be crisp but still get the "alive" feeling of the loose snares....great idea....